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telemetria

lukáš | 18-05-2011, 16:27 | (217.119.117.xxx)

nazdar chlapy potreboval by som vyrobit telemetriu na dohladavanie mojho sokola vedely by ste mi stym pomôct ??? tu je môj e-mail

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Re: telemetria

Lubor | 18-05-2011, 22:43 | (80.243.103.xxx)

Sokola, to jako živé ptactvo co se nevrátilo pro pamlsek? To spíše než Telemetrie bych vlákno nazval . Telemetrie je něco, co ti na dálku dává zprávu o tom, v jakém stavu to sledované zařízení je. Jaká má tvůj sokol využitelná rozhraní?

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Re: telemetria

Lubor | 27-05-2011, 20:51 | (80.243.103.xxx)

kluci, máte nápad, jak by se dalo tady kolegovi sokolníkovi pomoci? Nejspíš půjde o živého tvora, co toho moc neunese, má zahnutej zobák, usalaší se někde na větvi, a je neviditelnej. Prostě nějaký jednoduchý všesměrový maják, a majitel si ho dohledá rámovou anténou, jako při orientačním běhu za liškou. Existuje něco pidi-midi, co by se mu mohlo přikurtovat na nožku?

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Re: telemetria

jetylo | 28-05-2011, 11:51 | (195.98.4.xxx)

Tak neviem, ci to nie je skor dotaz, na radio-amaterov ako na modelarov….

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Re: telemetria

Romi | http://www.rcklublc.sk | 29-05-2011, 22:43 | (94.229.32.xxx)

Otázne je, čo vlastne potrebuje, možno mu stačí gps loger… Alebo len malý vysielač, ako majú voľné modely, aby toho vtáka vedel nájsť.

29. 05. 22:45 - Príspevok bol upravený

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Re: telemetria

Drondys | 06-06-2011, 17:28 | (213.180.34.xxx)

Pokud bez problému unese třeba tak máš vyřešeno.

Rozměry 45×35×21 mm Hmotnost 30 g

Funguje to tak, že se do toho dá SIM karta a když se tvůj miláček zatoulá a je v dosahu GSM operátora tak stačí z nějakého mobilu poslat na tu SIM kartu SMS v příslušném formátu a obratem ti přijde SMS obsahující aktuální pozici a to můžeš provádět opakovaně dokud ho nenajdeš.

O něco větší a těžší, ale levnější je třeba tento

Rozměry 65×45×17mm Hmotnost 50 g

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Re: telemetria

Lubor | 06-06-2011, 23:23 | (80.243.103.xxx)

OK. To bychom měli řešení na bázi GPS. Zobrazení může být na mobilním telefonu s Internetovým připojením.

Nebezpečí vidím ve dvou věcech:

anténa přijímající signál, nemusí být vlivem laického pohledu sokola vždy v optimální poloze pro určení alespoň 2D polohy, tj. 3 viditelné satelity ve vhodné poloze
dostupnost GSM signálu (pokrytí) v

Pokud GPS přijímač s GSM přijímačem/vysílačem váží 30g, tak v tom případě musí existovat ještě lehčí řešení na základě čistě broadcastovaného signálu.

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Re: telemetria

Lubor | 19-06-2011, 12:28 | (80.243.103.xxx)

… našlo by se řešení, které by bylo tak říkajíc a přitom malé, lehké a levné?

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Re: telemetria

Janko O | 19-06-2011, 18:01 | (109.230.57.xxx)

Lubor, o toto sa (márne?) snažíme už asi štvrtý rok. Celú peripetiu som podrobne opísal v seriáli Cesta k telemetrii. Ale ideálne riešenie sme aj tak nenašli. Možno preto, že neexistuje. Každé riešenie niečo vyrieši a niečo skomplikuje. Aby to bolo nezávislé na infraštruktúre (pekný výraz. Môžem ho začať používať?) musí to mať vlastný vysielač aj prijímač pre telemetriu. Ostatné časti telemetrie sa už potom nemenia. Ak to má niečo zobrazovať, musí tam byť displej. Alebo PDA-čko, alebo miniatúrny notebook, alebo… Aby to vydávalo zvuky, nie je problém. Aby sa dalo niečo nastavovať, musí to mať tlačidlá, alebo to musí byť PDA-čko, alebo miniatúrny notebook, alebo…. Niekdy mám pocit, že sa krútime v bludnom kruhu. S bratom sme sa zhodli na tom, že skoro ideálne by bolo lacné PDA-čko s vhodnými vstupmi, ktoré by sa dalo jednoducho programovať. Myslím tak, aby som sa znovu (koľký krát už) nemusil učiť nejaký nový programovací jazyk, či vôbec spôsob programovania. Alebo nejaký lacný detský notebook, alebo niečo podobné, malé podobné počítaču, do čoho vieme urobiť softvér bez problémov. Akonáhle začnú číňania vyrábať mini notebook veľkosti 150×100 mm v cene 19,90 USD, problém je vyriešený. Ale samostaného vysielača a prijímača by sme sa aj tak nezbavili. Skrátka: problém telemetrie večne živý.

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Re: telemetria

Lubor | 23-06-2011, 09:08 | (80.243.103.xxx)

Co se opravdické telemetrie týče, nemám námitek a je to tak jak Janko píše (používání infrastruktury máš povoleno ;o) – je to takový pěkný český výraz). Potíž je v tom, že celé toto vlákno má od samého začátku nejspíše jiný název, než by mu náležel. Telemetrie skutečně předpokládá přenos údajů na dálku a jejich zobrazení. Drondys uvedl řešení na bázi komerčních zařízení používajících GPS a GSM. Ovšem podíváme-li se ještě jednou pozorně na zadání a pomineme-li, že je nejspíše nevhodně zvolený název, tak tazatel hledá zařízení, které mu pomůže najít ulétnuvšího ptáka sokola, který se mu ztratil ve volné přírodě. Nemusíme se tedy držet telemetrie a celé to můžeme zjednodušit.

Tedy než Telemetrie bych vlákno nazval „výroba lehkého zaměřovače“ nebo podobně. Nešlo by to dodatečně nějak přejmenovat, abychom nemíchali témata. Romi, Jetylo, Drondys i Janko by samozřejmě museli být pro… Lukáš se neozval… žiješ chlape? V podstatě to ani nezapadá do hlavního tematu , ale chtělo by to nové hlavní téma, které musí založit administrátor (pokud je to možné).

Abych to shrnul, hledáme jednoduchý lehký a málo žravý vysílač na straně sokola, a přenosný přijímač na straně sokolníka. Pořád se mi vrací myšlenka na , kdy se pobíhalo s rámovou anténou po hvozdech a zaměřovalo o stošest. Dělá se to ještě v dnešní době?

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Re: telemetria

lukáš | 18-10-2011, 20:24 | (217.119.123.xxx)

presne tak

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